Will Destiny Be Competitive?

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If I had a dollar for every time I saw that question being asked, I’d have enough money to buy the Ghost edition. Destiny is just in its infancy right now, and until we have access to the full version of the game, it’s not really fair to make bold statements about Destiny’s ability to join in the competitive scene. Destiny will be competitive if the community wants it to, and as long as there’s enough that do, it inevitably will be.

The following video is not one we endorse, or agree with, but wanted to rebut. The following video has so much misinformation and is filled with ignorant statements, it’s hard to even finish it.

His points why Destiny won’t be competitive:

  • “Not a 60 fps game”

FPS is the majority of his argument, and he talks about it for about 3 minutes. He says that “COD and pretty much every other FPS runs at a bare minimum of 60 FPS.” Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo 4 weren’t 60 FPS, and were obviously all extremely competitive games within MLG. He goes on to say that professional players (Halo players excluded presumably) will “hate” Destiny’s PvP because it’s not 60 FPS and therefore will refuse to play it competitively.

He also makes an absurd assumption that because the PvE aspect of Destiny is going to be vast and awesome, that less attention will be paid towards PvP. He says “In COD, PvP is the main focus and the campaign is an afterthought.” We know from Bungie’s record with Halo, PvP will have plenty of focus in Destiny, while still maintaining and updating the PvE.

 

  • “Limited in your movements, not able to move ridiculously fast”

I really have no idea what he means by this. The only example he gives is not being able to “360 quickscope while sprinting.” Maybe he just needs to increase his controller sensitivity? In Destiny you’re able to be more mobile than a lot of games, with each of the unique jump abilities. You can also choose to sprint, but of course he knows this.

 

  • “No perfectly balanced maps and weather”

Since we’ve had access to has such a small number of maps, I’m shocked he even mentioned this. He likely played the Shores of Time on Venus and First Light on the Moon. Perhaps he also played on Blind Watch on Mars and Rusted Lands on Earth during the Iron Banner event. Judging the game from 4 playable maps is just premature. He also says (without any explanation) that it will be unfair if we can’t toggle dynamic weather/time.

ReachForgeNetwork replied to the video saying,

I think that there are far more reasons for Destiny to become more competitive than less competitive as a game. It’s injecting real skill into multiplayer with a radar that forces you to know the maps and won’t give you the exact location of enemies. This makes knowledge a much larger and more obvious part of play. The mobility systems in Destiny and the fact that every weapon is capable of killing quickly at specific ranges is a further reason to believe that it’s more skilled. Mobility powers are actually some of the more important powers in the game IMO. The game’s multiplayer systems require more skill than just twitch shooting and an FTL speed reaction time.

What do you all think? Do you agree or disagree with the video? Do you have an interest in playing competitively? It’s clear he is not adequately knowledgeable with Bungie’s track record with the Halo titles, and prefers COD.

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  • Squatchmen

    I play competitively, and I strongly disagree with the video. I’m usually just in it for the fun but when I’m ready to go all in, I love competitive action.

  • Carl

    Bad Company 2 and Halo 3 ran at 30 fps and were highly competitive. Both games only allows a single jump for movement, no sprinting either. The Venus map was pretty basic and balanced; I’m sure that more classic, simple geometric maps will make their debuts in Destiny.

  • Born In A Box

    Excellent response to this video. Objectively, it is impossible to tell purely based on the Beta whether Destiny will be a competitive game or not. We simply don’t have enough information.

    That said, there are legitimate concerns right now that indicate Destiny may not be competitive. However, as was pointed out in the article, the concerns raised in video are not legitimate and are based in ignorance. Bungie supporting PvE over PvP? Not so based on Bungie’s track record. An inability to turn off weather effects? The weather has virtually zero effect on gameplay.

    The most reasonable concern raised in the video is a potential lack of good maps for competitive play, though this point was only briefly mentioned. Once again, we simply can’t tell if there will be good competitive maps from the beta because (a) we have only been given a sampling of maps and (b) we are only given one gameplay type. The real reason for concern here is based on Bungie’s track record: the Halo games didn’t have great competitive maps after Halo 2. In Halo 3 and especially Reach, many of the maps used by MLG were Forge created. It doesn’t appear that there will be anything like the Forge in Destiny.

    But the real focus when analyzing whether a game will be competitive should be on the core gameplay, something that the video fails to explore. The true concern for Destiny’s competitive potential lies in its weapon balance, class balance, and ability balance. Particularly troublesome are Destiny’s super abilities, since these, like killstreak rewards in Call of Duty, favor the team that is already doing well and create instant kills that remove the potential for skillful gameplay. Crucially however, all these concerns are based on unknown variables at this point in time. Having no access to high level abilities and weapons in the Beta, the public has no idea what max level gameplay will look like in the final game.

    It is simply arrogant and ignorant to state conclusively, as is done in the video, that Destiny will not be a good competitive game. Right now, we don’t know one way or the other. As a consumer of the competitive gaming scene, from Halo and CoD to Starcraft and LoL, I sincerely hope that Destiny can develop its competitive potential.

    • V.R.

      Precisely.

  • BlackAcidX

    Obviously this guy is a COD fanboy and hasn’t ventured out to many other competitive FPS, such as Halo, to know that 30 fps doesn’t mean shit. Seriously, I never understood why these “pro gamers” keep whining if a game isn’t 60 fps and 1080 ip, then it’s nothing worthy of being competitive.

    As well as judging a game that’s only being shown it’s BETA is just…dumb. I even find the people who agree with him over his vague reason are just a ignorant; once the final product has come out, and you’ve played EVERY part of what the game has to offer, THEN make your judgement call, not biased assumptions.

  • Drey

    Wow they chewed Destiny out so bad….

  • Nik sterner

    he bitches about balance but COD is the most unbalanced game out there, there are always like 3 different guns that dominate the whole game and the rest are just for show. in games like Halo, Battlefeild, and even Titanfall you can take on a power house weapon like an RPG with a pistol and still have a fighting chance.

  • Thomas Harrison

    he probably just hated the fact that it took more than 3-4 shots to kill someone being from call of duty where shields don’t exist but in my honest opinion destiny is a great game made by great people on 4 great platforms

  • Sobieski904

    playing this game competitively will take more skill if its not going by as fast as cod. therefor it should be very competitive .

  • Crusina .

    The biggest thing is no custom games, if you can’t do custom games you have zero competitive ability.

    Moving on, Destiny’s PvP system is completely convoluted with items/powers with incredible lethality and relatively low skill requirements, it lacks many fundamentals necessary to be a competitive console FPS and to say it will be iconic within eSports is pure laughable delusion. There is no gun skill, spawning with power weapons is a bad idea, there is zero need for map movement or control, autoaim is mindblowing, receiving supers no matter how awful you play, etc. Not to mention the slow aiming/movement speed. And 30 FPS for a competitive shooter nowadays is a joke.

    I’m sorry if you people disagree but it’s the truth. It’s like the people who think that Destiny will become the PS4’s competitive game because the console is popular, that’s a laugh. PS4 doesn’t even have 1/4th of all competitive players and its comp scene is non existent with only the very rare online tournament. With Halo: MCC coming out, the competitive scene will revert back to an old standard. (ironically Bungie’s old games)Not to mention besides games like Halo, Cod, etc on the Xbox all the other competitive games are on PC. None of them are on the PS. None.

    For those who don’t believe me, Xbox FPS games has partaken in large-scale tournaments hosted by: MLG/Iron Games/***/UGC/VGL/Fraggednation/GameBattles. Playstation does not have ANY equally large-scale, consistent tournament (Besides UAE, Haha!) dedicated to the system outside these events. However all these events are either exclusively Xbox or has a much greater participation from the Xbox community. Of the top 25 streamers on twitch, none of them play on the PS.

    Destiny is Destined to be an amazing game but it is not destined to be a competitive one.

    You guys are a bunch of blind fanboys. You disagree with him more because you dislike that he’s saying that the game isn’t perfect. I’m not saying his arguments were all that great either but it’s not wrong over all.