Felwinter’s Lie Review

A close quarters weapon forged in fire by the Lords of the Iron Banner.

Felwinter’s Lie is a Legendary special shotgun.

This weapon is purchasable from Lord Saladin and can also be reforged.


The good: Highest Impact & range.

The bad: Slow reload speed, lowest rate of fire.

Conclusion: It’s everything you want in a shotgun.

Read the full review here

This is a Legendary Weapon
Shotgun (Special Weapon)
Solar Base Damage/Upgraded272/331
Quality Lvl60
Rate of Fire
Magazine Size

Aim Assist
Equip Speed
Recoil Direction

Talent Upgrades Tree (from the vendor)

Solar Damage

This weapon causes Solar damage.


More predictable recoil. Slight boosts to range and Impact. More recoil.

+5% Damage
+5 Range
-10 Stability


Kills with this weapon grant bonus ammo, directly to the magazine.

Upgrade Damage 1

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.


Reload this weapon even faster.


Aiming this weapon increases its effective range.

Upgrade Damage 2

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.

Upgrade Damage 3

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.


More range and Impact. Increased recoil.

+5% Damage
+12 Range
-15 Stability


Improved range and accuracy.

Upgrade Damage 4

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.


More predictable recoil. Enhanced Impact. Shorter range and more recoil.

+10% Damage
-5 Range
-5 Stability


When held, this weapon grants +2 character Agility.

Upgrade Damage 5

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.

Video Review

Weapon Review

Felwinter’s Lie is a Legendary special shotgun which can be purchased from Lord Saladin during the Iron Banner.

The default perks are listed above, click here to see all of its potential perks.

Be sure to check out our other Legendary weapon reviews as well.

Recommended Reforge Perks

Cascade kicks in after performing melee kills, reducing reload speed dramatically. It’ll be easier to take advantage of in PvE.

Hammer Forged
Even though this shotgun already has the highest base range, increasing it even further will only help.

Rangefinder / Shot Package
Equally useful in their own way, both of these perks will help you hit your target more accurately.

  • Rangefinder boosts your weapon’s performance at a distance while in ADS.
  • Shot Package is a high-risk, high-reward perk that tightens your pellet spread, giving you a better chance of landing all of Felwinter’s Lie‘s potential damage.

The Good

Like most other weapons bearing the Sigil of the Iron Lords, Felwinter’s Lie has extremes: It sacrifices rate of fire and stability for high Impact and range. It boasts the highest base Impact, just ahead of The 4th Horseman and Two To The Morgue.

You can use Felwinter’s Lie to instantly kill another Guardian in the Crucible from much further away than most shotguns, even without any perks that help increase the range, since its got the highest base range of any shotgun.
felwinter's lie pve damage
Naturally, this means that in PvE, it is an excellent weapon to stop charging enemies like Minotaurs (especially since the 200% damage buff). It also comes with elemental damage so it’s excellent against enemies with the corresponding shield.

The high range that this shotgun has allows for some flexibility in perk choices once the shotgun is Reforged as well.

The Bad

There’s little not to like about this shotgun, unless you happen to get a poor roll, it’s basically the best Legendary shotgun in Destiny.

As it can be expected, the high Impact and range comes at a cost. With a rate of fire that takes more than 1 second between each shot, there is very little room for error once you shoot. Be sure you kill your enemy with the first shot, and if you don’t, be ready for the consequences.

Furthermore, the stability is so low that the recoil shifts the sights up dramatically. As a result, while shotguns generally aren’t terrible choices for engaging multiple targets (relative to the other options available), Felwinter’s Lie is the exception.
felwinter's lie pvp damage
It performs extremely well against single enemies for the most part, proving to be overkill and possibly even a liability against things like Dregs or Thrall.

Thankfully because the rate of fire is so low, the poor stability is totally manageable since you’ve got plenty of time to readjust the weapon before your next shot.

Where this weapon really suffers is reload speed, taking 6.7 seconds to fully reload once its 6 rounds have been emptied. It’s recommend to Reforge for Cascade, enabling a lightning fast 2.95 second reload, but Cascade won’t benefit you as much in PvP as it will in PvE since it requires a melee kill.


Felwinter’s Lie is the very embodiment of what a shotgun should be: It lays down an immediate spike of damage to things that are close by, boasting the highest possible Impact and range.

However, it is a very unforgiving weapon that takes some getting used to; miss or dive into hordes of people trying to kill you, and you will be at the mercy of the enemy.

That being said, with the right perks, it’s basically the best shotgun available, just keep in mind that it’s slow and clunky.

If you’re looking for an alternative, check out Judgment VI, it also has very high range and Impact.

For PvP this weapon earns a 9.3/10 and for PvE a 9.2/10.


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  • Finlay Jones

    Note that if you have Hammer Forged, Field Choke is superfluous as the range is already maxed.
    Full auto ups the RoF considerable, so could make a nice perk for PvE

    • Justin

      Unless you use cqb ballistics since it gives u a penalty to range for stability

      • Finlay Jones

        but Field Choke and CQB ballistics are in the same slot.
        So my post was saying “you don’t need to use field choke as the range is maxed, so you can use cqb ballistics”
        Hammer forged and CQB = still maxed range

  • Fenrir

    if i wanted to make it even more powerful, what would you recommend instead of cascade, luck in the chamber or final round?


    • Luck in the Chamber

      • Keith Christmas

        Surely Final Round is better for shotguns, since you can cancel the reload and keep it primed for the extra damage at all times.

        I mean, the review even says “make sure you kill your enemy in the first shot”. Keeping it primed for Final Round is gonna give the best chance of that.

        • True, that’s just my personal preference

          • Keith Christmas

            I suppose to an extent it depends what you want out of the gun. Final Round is gonna give the more reliable damage boost, but if you miss the shot you are gonna be on serious trouble. There’s certainly an argument for either one, but having used Invective a fair bit since the patch, I’ve got a lot of love for Final Round 🙂

        • Quixotic

          How would you cancel the reload??

          • Keith Christmas

            Same way as you would any other weapon. Dash/melee/switch weapon when the reload animation is in progress. But because shotguns load rounds individually rather than loading the entire mag at once, you can cancel the reload after the first round is in.

            You can also cancel reload by firing as soon as you have ammo loaded, so you can keep getting the Final Round bonus in quick succession, assuming your enemies give you enough time to do so.

  • Dan

    I bought this during the last Iron Banner and didn’t have any notes, so I kept the stock perks, which are pretty good, and fully upgraded it. Since the patch, this is a BEAST in PvE! Shotguns are a lot of fun now. I think that was the best thing Bungie has patched, weapon-wise, in a while. It’s a lot of fun to have more options in fights

    • Ah you missed our Reforge guide? http://planetdestiny.com/iron-banner-reforge-guide/

      • Dan

        Oops, misspelling in my original comment. I meant to say “didn’t have any motes” not “notes”. i.e. I couldn’t reforge it. I did look through that guide though, I thought it was great! But I think the perks on the shotgun were still pretty great so I went with it. If I get it to drop next time, then I’ll have one to play around with

    • NLK3

      They should have buffed the pulse rifles, but not nerf the auto rifles. I swear it’s more than 2.?%. It seems it’s the max impact that’s nerfed, not just the individual impact. In other words, if the damage was 30, the patch would only make it about 29, but the damage seems to go from, in PVP, 30 to 26, which is about 11%.

      • Dan

        I agree completely.. The analysis I’ve seen shows that the damage drop for ARs is more around 10% like you were saying

  • Kiiiddd

    My favorite perks to reforge for would be
    PvP:aggressive ballistics/kneepads/Hammer forged/shotpackage
    Pve:Smart Drift Control/return to sender or cascade/Hammerforged/Full Auto

    When reforging the Hammerforged mod maxes the range with ANY barrel. So you want to roll for one that has some increased impact or stability

  • Abstract

    Final Round, Hammer Forger, and Full Auto has been amazing

    • NLK3

      You can just reload the last shot and keep the final round 33% damage bonus. Plus the range and impact? HELL NO, FUCK YOU!!!

  • Charles

    I happen to like mine cqb ballistics return to sender perfect balance and full auto

  • Ash_Killem

    Def one of the best, if not the best, shotguns in the game. Rolled mine with Return to sender (helps with reloading); stability and full auto. Full auto really brings it up a notch and drastically increases the fire rate.

  • Jason Peterson

    Agressive Balistics + Kneepads + Hammer Forged + Shot Package.

    Let the hate flow through you.

  • Justin

    CQB ballistics, return to sender, hammer forged, full auto, arc damage= PVE Monster! Loving this shotgun.

  • Hey players, I did a combo review talking about all the weapons/gear from the last Iron Banner event. Check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hsXD2RDcTM

    PS: I got to kill wizards lvl 30 with two shots each at the end of the video.

  • Rob Holden

    I got this same weapon from Iron Banner and rerolled it to have the same recommended perks (Cascade, Hammer Forged, Shot Package), but with Arc instead of Solar. Ihave not yet used it since the changes. Looking forward to seeing how it performs in PVP after seeing the changes and your article, and hoping it does a better job against Knights on Crota Hard.

  • NLK3

    I think my brother was right to do what he did: Buy 3 Lies and reforge the other 2.

  • Captainbirdseye

    Won this in the last Iron Banner, never liked shotguns to be honest .
    May actually upgrade my first shotgun and try it out in PVE at least.

    I got Final round + Flared Magwell + Full Auto .

    Could be a Beast after all.