Against All Odds Review

Threat assessment calculates your odds of survival at 3,721:1…unless you pull this trigger.

Against All Odds is a Legendary heavy machine gun.

This weapon is purchasable from the Crucible Quartermaster, and can also be rewarded randomly.


The good: Highest Impact & range.

The bad: Low stability & reload speed.

Conclusion: Almost perfect in PvE & PvP.

Read the full review here

This is a Legendary Weapon
Machine Gun (Heavy Weapon)
Solar Base Damage/Upgraded272/331
Quality Lvl60
Rate of Fire
Magazine Size

Aim Assist
Equip Speed
Recoil Direction

Talent Upgrades Tree (from the vendor)

Solar Damage

This weapon causes Solar damage.


More range and Impact. Increased recoil.

+5% Damage
+10 Range
-10 Stability


This weapon grows more accurate the longer it is fired.

Accuracy increases over time, up to 20% by the end of the magazine.

Upgrade Damage 1

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.


Switch weapons faster. Move quicker while aiming.


Kills with this weapon reduce the cooldown of your grenade.

Kills add 10% to grenade energy.

Upgrade Damage 2

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.

Upgrade Damage 3

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.


More predictable recoil. Slight boosts to range and Impact. More recoil.

+5% Damage
+5 Range
-10 Stability


Maximum Ammo capacity.

Upgrade Damage 4

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.


More range and Impact. Increased recoil.

+5% Damage
+12 Range
-15 Stability


This weapon can be drawn unbelievably fast.

Upgrade Damage 5

Increases Attack Power, resulting in more Damage.

Weapon Review

Against All Odds is a Legendary heavy machine gun which can be purchased from the Crucible Quartermaster for 150 Crucible Marks.

The default perks are listed above, but these can vary if you receive this weapon from an Engram or as a random reward in PvE/PvP. Click here to see all of its potential perks.

Be sure to check out our other Legendary weapon reviews as well.

Recommended Perks

Accurized Ballistics
+5% Damage
+10 Range
-10 Stability

Field Scout
Boosts magazine size to 50

The Good

Against All Odds could be compared to a very high powered scout rifle, and should be used as such.

Thanks to the extremely high Impact, tied with Jolder’s Hammer, it is entirely possible to kill another Guardian in the Crucible with 3 headshots. In PvP you’ll hit for 61 to the body and 76 on the head.

This kind of power carries over to PvE where most normal enemies will die in a single headshot, leading to one of the most ammo efficient heavy weapons.

The high Impact is complimented by Field Scout, which boosts the magazine size from 26 to 50, from 300 to 600~ rounds per minute.

Persistence and Grenadier further help with the ability to conserve ammo and improve its crowd control capabilities. Persistence really isn’t as much help in PvP, but more on that below. With Grenadier, kills add 10% to grenade energy, allowing you to completely recharge it in just 5-8 kills.

As you’d expect with a high Impact weapon, the rate of fire is low. Against All Odds has the lowest rate of fire. For those that prefer the opposite archetype, they may consider this a bad thing, but it’s really not. The low rate of fire helps stabilize the weapon and offsets the recoil.

This machine gun really shines in the range department, with the highest base range of any machine gun. You can use this to your advantage and you’ll be rewarded for pacing your shots from a distance.

against all odds legendary review

The Bad

It is not recommended to hold down the trigger for too long when using the weapon due to the extremely low stability. Thankfully the low rate of fire makes the stability much more manageable.

Furthermore, like all slow firing/hard hitting weapons, the penalty for missing a shot is much greater than missing a shot with a fast firing weapon, especially in the Crucible. It’s rate of fire is comparable to Jolder’s Hammer.

The reload speed is also below average, so you’ll want to pace yourself and your shots to make them count. It takes nearly 4.5 seconds to reload.

Linear Compensator and Field Choke are poor barrel choices, only slightly increasing the range and at the cost of stability.

Persistence is an OK perk, but really only helpful in PvE. In PvP, 90% of the time you should be killing your enemy in 3-7 shots, so Persistence isn’t going to be used at all. You need to at least hold down the trigger for half of the magazine to see any effect from that perk.


Featuring the highest Impact of all machine guns currently available, Against All Odds is akin to an automatic scout rifle with its low rate of fire, high damage per shot, and high accuracy.

All that damage comes at a price however, as the version purchasable from the Crucible quartermaster lacks any perks or modifications that help control the incredibly high recoil (besides Persistence).

Granted, the low rate of fire naturally helps to some degree to mitigate the recoil, but landing successive shots may prove difficult.

In short, this is an awesome machine gun for any style of play and it’s definitely worth buying.

For anyone who’s still using THE SWARM, this is a worthy replacement.

For PvP this weapon earns a 8.5/10 and for PvE a 8.6/10.


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  • Tenabrus

    Pretty sure this is one I got with a roll for high stability and field scout with void damage, absolute beast against minotaurs.

  • Brad_030

    Got this gun for ranking up crucible vendor. I rolled a solar damage with counterbalance, surplus (find more ammo), and flared magwell. If I could trade flared magwell for field scout it would’ve been perfect!

    • Yeo Bean

      does counterbalance actually help the stability?

      • Brad_030

        Yes, the slow fire rate helps a lot but cb is noticeable

  • Crazy Watto

    This and my Ruin Wings !

    • Kevin Kane

      Love me some Ruin Wings!!! >Than Armamentarium

  • Aron

    I rolled an Against All Odds with Rangefinder, Hammer Forged and Crowd Control, essentially making it a mid- to longrange weapon that does more damage with each shot. I can’t decide whether I like it better than my Deviant Gravity-A or not, since they are both such good guns.

  • Adam Bryan

    I Have 3 of these and should consder levelling them up I suppose. I got one last night and its a lightning variant with perfect balance and some other perks (hamer forged and quick draw) with reactive reload. I think thats pretty decent

  • Thiago123

    Been running Against All Odds for a long time. It is an absolute MONSTER in PvP and PvE. I rolled one with Void Damage, Soft Ballistics, Field Scout WITH Surplus AND most importantly, RODEO which helps negate any recoil/stability problems. In PvP it is a headshot machine and in PVE it makes short work of any boss—Particularly with Strikes, I can stay at Auto Rifle to Sniper Rifle range and hold the trigger down on a boss and hit precision damage on all bullets. Feels like a SUROS with much higher impact and a 50 round clip.

    Yea, I’m gushing a bit, but that version I got lucky with legit feels like easily the best MG and really only maybe behind Ballerhorn/Truth for best heavy. Even a contender for top 10 overall best weapon. I liked it so much that I bought the vendor version to have a Solar version, which is only slightly inferior.

    • Kevin Kane

      Nice! I also got one with Rodeo/Field Scout and Crowd Control, it basically replaces Thunderlord!

    • DeadGodsofKemet

      Yeah that was my first legendary engram I found on patrol, got the solar one and salvaged it. Really comes through during void burn and minotaur heavy missions. The RoF took some getting used too but helps when moments are crucial.

  • Murat Ozcan

    What this really needs is Aggressive Ballistics, pushing the damage to 65-80, 3body shot kills!

    I like Jolder in the sense that it has more stability at the cost of range – however I have never seen the range effect damage (to me it’s the weakest stat) .

  • Foxintoxx

    Looted one with smart drift control , spray and play , field scout and grenadier . It simply is a MONSTER in PvP x)

  • Haydn

    Ive got one with crowd control.



    Too high of scores. These things are pretty garbage, I’ve literally broken down like 4-5 of these.

    • Kevin Kane

      It’s like all RNG weapons, get the right perks and the weapon becomes a beast, apart from pulse rifles of course!

  • Jaz

    I picked this up from an Engram.
    Smooth Ballistics and Perfect Balance makes it’s stability equal to it’s impact.

  • FriedCats

    *mistake you stated that Smart Drift Control was a “poor” barrel choice for lowering stability. this must have been a mistake because imo smart drift control is the best barrel choice for almost any gun.

    • Yep, meant to say Linear Comp

  • Jacob Cox

    I prefer the Swarm Monster perfect max stability and higher rate of fire slightly less damage and really never seen range matter on pulse or auto rifles and heavy machine guns too much.

  • Kenshiro Genjuro

    Love this MG. Unfortunately only have two out of my dozen or so MGs, they’re both solar damage and on the same console. 🙁

  • AeshmA

    Got this from engram yesterday and I guess that I got nice roll on it; void damage, accurized ballistics, counterbalance, field scout and surplus.
    It’s a beast in both PvP and PvE even when I don’t yet have all the damage upgrades.

  • jr240483

    here’s a better replacement for those that dont like the default version of against all odds and is still trying to get the swarm. its called corrective measure.

  • Hooley

    I have an arc Against All Odds and it’s my favorite heavy machine gun (and I’ve literally tried them all). During arc burns I prefer it over Thunderlord and Song of Ir Yut.

    (Mine rolled arc with Persistence, Field Scout, and Feeding Frenzy.

  • PhilbertQ

    Got it with solar and perfect balance, such good stability and range